Thursday, January 31, 2008

What to do if Ron Paul loses the nomination

Well thought out plan in the event the R's choose the wrong candidate.
Read the piece

4 comments:

Anonymous said...

Randy, I read the column you linked to and I feel like this is the crux of the problem.

Quote, "In summary: If Paul does not win the nomination vote for him as an independent or vote libertarian. This may be the only way to save the soul of the Republican party."


Really Randy? Vote for a different party to save the Republican Party? Why not vote Democrat to save the Republican party. Then after having two lost elections consecutively, they may get their act together. Why not? Why not vote Green? It doesn't make sense. It is sophmoric and wasteful. Even Paul himself said he would not run on a third ticket. Do you really support this type of action?

Chris said...

That was my post.

C.

Randy said...

Hi Chris
For myself, I will no longer vote for the lesser of two evils. I would never vote for McCain under any circumstances. Would you have me vote for a rapist because he isn't a murderer? [I am not accusing anyone of rape or murder; this is an illustration.]

Like you, I find the two remaining candidates for the D's repugnant, but not any more than McCain. In my opinion: He will abuse the power of the office. He will violate his oath of office. He will continue the failed foreign policy and extend it further. He will further destroy our civil liberties. He has no clue about economics. Would you seriously suggest that my precious endorsement would be better spent on him?

I am very sad that the R's have lost their way, but I will not sell my soul and go down with them just to be a "Team player". They are rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. The two leading R's argue about who is the most conservative, but in my opinion neither of them is a conservative. They are whores. They will say whatever it takes to get elected (just like the D's). They have no integrity.

Of course I would like my candidate to win. But I won't abandon him as long as he stands on right principles.

I gather you missed the point about saving the soul of the R's. As a parent, you don't reward bad behavior; do you? Why would I reward the R's with my support when they have left the constitution? I don't know the writer of the piece you quoted, but I think his point is that the R's will continue to loose until they get their collective head out the poop pouch.

BTW, personal attacks like the crack about being sophomoric are beneath you and do not persuade me.

Chris said...

Hey Randy,

A few points on your comment.

First, there was no personal attack on you, at any time. Unless you were the author of the column and I missed that point. I don't think you were. The column was sophomoric, not you.

Second, you assume that we have a failed foreign policy specifically in the Middle East, yet the facts to bear this out. We are succeeding in a global war on terror, and it comes a day at time. We are succeeding in Iraq. We are succeeding in Afghanistan, albeit slowly. Our leading these people to form their own governments, and begin rebuilding is working as opposed out our, "well we beat the Russians lets go home" policy that gave us the Taliban. Carter failed to support "the lesser of two evils" so you call it, and we wound up with a state sponsor of terror, with world wide ramifications. This is not a viable or well thought out policy.

Third, I would have you vote Republican because they support a few of the ideals that you stand for. The democrats do not support any.

Fourth I don't really like McCain either, but I don't run the party do I? Things are not going to change overnight. They are not going to change with a single election. Or even two. If you choose to not support conservatism then how can the changes of conservatism ever come to pass? It is about baby steps. McCain has some positives and some negatives just as Romney. Do you really want to enable a dem to win? Would you like the liar and thief Clinton to win? Does defeating her in any context sound like a good idea for the country? Again I will point out that even Ron Paul himself said he won't run on third ticket. I think that should mean something.

Fifth, Republicans have gone somewhat a stray. They have slowly abandoned their principals of conservatism, no question. But look at the last two presidential elections, which was the better choice between Bush and Kerry and Gore? Where would we be with either of those two retards in office? Attacked by terrorists, our economy would be in the tank, not precariously on the edge, and our government would have grown by half as a conservative guess.

Sixth, as a parent I don't expect that my child because he is not everything I want him to be, I would not support him in a partial victory. Did he come up short? Of course, he is not a ten year old Manchester United goalie, but that does not mean I hold every shortcoming as reason to stop supporting him at all. That would just be silly.

Bush is far from the conservative I want him to be. But he is a step in the right direction, and if we don't quit in disgust we will continue to move in the right direction.

Lastly, do I expect you to be a 'team player'? Yes I do. By not voting it does nothing but enable the left to gain ground. So your guy won't make it. My guy ran a pathetic shameful campaign. So do we want to enable the left to further gain ground, grow the government, fail to protect its citizens, lie, cheat, and steal? No I don't think either of us thinks that is a good idea.

Unless the Ron Paul supporters help to move the party one election, one issue, and one vote in congress at a time, how could Ron Paul or the next incarnation of his politics hope to ever have the candidate they are looking for? In this day in age we are not going to have such a radical shift in voter opinion in one fell swoop.

C.

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